Obama

[Dr. M]

I think it's funny how he pretended that he was going to "reach across the aisle" and try to work with both parties back when he was being elected, and then this year he's frothing at the mouth against the Republicans because it's mid-term election time. "Don't give them back the keys, because they don't know how to drive". "Don't vote based on your principles, vote against those freaking republicans who screw everything up!". I can't believe anyone thought Obama was actually going to change how things work, or maybe care more about Americans than he does about his political party. You don't get elected president unless you stick exactly to the status quo and toe the line every step of the way. Pathetic.

[Heretic]

I am enormously disappointed with Obama, but for very different reasons. I don't think he has been anywhere nearly radical enough.

[xoxos]

of course he hasn't. politics is like sports, there to give people something to do apart from notice where they are.

"obama" is "amabo" backwards - latin for "i will love".

i have been gang stalked for over five years for being sociopolitically outspoken - this is the "death of 1,000 cuts" designed to drive undesirable people out of society unnoticed. i've had my studio ripped twice, lost everything. i slept in a tent for nine months, and i have posted continuously about it since it started happening.

10% of calls to the national center for victims of crime are for gang stalking, but with this mass of people testifying to it, eg. any wikipedia reference still describes it as a psychological disorder.

these calls go unanswered, unreported and undeferred. gang stalking is "not considered to be an illegal activity". based on calls to the NCVC there are over 300,000 targets in the u.s., but from personal experience i can tell you that moving overseas doesn't help. i also never called NCVC personally so perhaps that demographic is significantly larger.

the NCVC is funded by the DOJ.

your government is essentially a sham. consume, enjoy, obey.

[WhiteSongBoy]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Not my fault" with the "O" in "not" made to look like the Obama logo. I liked it.

[Dave]

of course he hasn't. politics is like sports, there to give people something to do apart from notice where they are.

"obama" is "amabo" backwards - latin for "i will love".

i have been gang stalked for over five years for being sociopolitically outspoken - this is the "death of 1,000 cuts" designed to drive undesirable people out of society unnoticed. i've had my studio ripped twice, lost everything. i slept in a tent for nine months, and i have posted continuously about it since it started happening.

10% of calls to the national center for victims of crime are for gang stalking, but with this mass of people testifying to it, eg. any wikipedia reference still describes it as a psychological disorder.

these calls go unanswered, unreported and undeferred. gang stalking is "not considered to be an illegal activity". based on calls to the NCVC there are over 300,000 targets in the u.s., but from personal experience i can tell you that moving overseas doesn't help. i also never called NCVC personally so perhaps that demographic is significantly larger.

the NCVC is funded by the DOJ.

your government is essentially a sham. consume, enjoy, obey.

Where did that last bit come from? You tried to tie it together with the last line, but it is so irrelevant. I sympathise with you and I believe what you have to say but don't stretch so hard to tie your own hardships into every conversation.

Anyway. Obama is being so tough on the republicans because he has to get ready to re run and if he isn't now the democrats won't support him.

[Dr. M]

Because, of course, the most important thing is which party is in control. Not that anything actually gets done.

[xoxos]

Where did that last bit come from? You tried to tie it together with the last line, but it is so irrelevant. I sympathise with you and I believe what you have to say but don't stretch so hard to tie your own hardships into every conversation.

very simply, because someday, someone near you may report that a group of people seem to be covertly harassing them, and chances are that if you are not previously familiar with gang stalking as a widespread phenomenon, you will discard these reports as the result of an active imagination, or paranoia.

one doesn't discuss such things out of love, or for the attention. one discusses them because it is nescience that allows such things to be carried out.

and until it stops, i DO have to tie these hardships into every conversation.

http://www.lradx.com > look for HSS speakers, $1397.

these use microwave technology to transduce a soundbeam when they hit the body, which means if someone points one at you, you will hear voices in your head that no one else hears.

imagine if someone decided to single you out, follow you around, and point one of these at you wherever they could.

now, imagine telling people about it, especially if you're not even aware that the technology exists! it could be years before you figure out that someone is doing it to you and that you haven't simply lost a nut.

finally, look around on the internet. you will find tens of thousands of reports and documents. you will, among those, find a good deal of reports that are exaggerated or are construed to make the subject seem implausible or laughable.

someone in the world has put a LOT of man hours into obscuring this activity, and if you want to ignore it, you do so at your own risk. today, they came for me.

[Fred]

I can't think of a worse place to have a political discussion than the Joy Electric boards. I can say that two years ago, I spent Election Day in Nevada, as part of Obama's GOTV operation. I don't regret that decision. Aside from his failure to break from the Bush administration on civil liberties, I find it hard to sympathize with surprised disappointment about his presidency. To be sure, there are things that I differ with him on, but I knew about them before I voted for him.

As far as the campaign is concerned, it's electoral politics 101.

[juniorforce]

How any Christian can support Obama or anyone who is for so called abortion rights (infanticide) is beyond me

[Dave]

How any Christian can support someone who isn't pro environment is beyond me.

[Nikmis]

How any Christian can support republicans or anyone who is pro-war is beyond me.

[MorellasForest]

How any Christian can support Obama or anyone who is for so called abortion rights (infanticide) is beyond me

Exactly. Can you imagine what price 50 million people not paying taxes or into social security has had on the country in the last 30+ years?

Environmentalism is a political religion that is at many points antithetical to biblical Christianity. War is not wrong for Christians either. There is no draft, so you don't have to sign up if you don't want to. People crashing planes into buildings of innocent people is a just cause for war.

[xoxos]

i agree this isn't the best place for political exchange.

ronnie's music makes everyone here happy, and that is what anyone should think of when they come here.


afa as anything else goes, i'm a jain, i'm much more moral and holy than any christian (ha) and if you start talking about national security i'm going to get out my family scrapbook, which none of you want me to do. my father worked for three intelligence agencies and i lived in a country that was being bombed in the 1970's. the comparative hysteria and xenophobia in the united states doesn't inspire me not to share my personal experiences.


so please, think, and think deeply, before you post another expression of partisan policy.

[Dr. M]

Environmentalism is a political religion that is at many points antithetical to biblical Christianity. War is not wrong for Christians either. There is no draft, so you don't have to sign up if you don't want to. People crashing planes into buildings of innocent people is a just cause for war.

Even if the people we're going after weren't the ones who crashed the planes.

[goodpastleads]

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[Fred]

Lordy lordy

[Nikmis]

How any Christian can support Obama or anyone who is for so called abortion rights (infanticide) is beyond me

War is not wrong for Christians either. There is no draft, so you don't have to sign up if you don't want to. People crashing planes into buildings of innocent people is a just cause for war.

Then you might as well say abortion is not wrong. You don't have to sign up to have your unborn baby killed if you don't want to. Nearly all of the people who die in wars are innocent people.

[jjmini]

xoxos please continue.

[MattB]

Environmentalism is a political religion that is at many points antithetical to biblical Christianity. War is not wrong for Christians either. There is no draft, so you don't have to sign up if you don't want to. People crashing planes into buildings of innocent people is a just cause for war.

I don't like getting into political arguments---really, I don't---but my BS meter went through the roof after reading this. Environmentalism goes against Biblical Christianity? How? No wait, you can't even tell me how, because it doesn't. See, I'm a conservative just as you no doubt are, but I for one can't stand to be affiliated with the conservative party because I see too many people exactly like you mouthing off about issues they are totally ignorant about.

You want to base your politics on the Bible? Fine. Show me a passage where God told Adam to hunt down every animal to extinction. Show me where God instructed the twelve tribes of Judah to cut down every tree and use the Earth and its oceans therein as one colossal waste dump. Please, just SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE where God Almighty instructed mortal, carnal man to not care for the Earth, the very Earth which He created for His own Glory!

Oh, and just so you know--the war in Iraq had nothing at all to do with 911.

[Rogue]

I don't like getting into political arguments---really, I don't---but my BS meter went through the roof after reading this. Environmentalism goes against Biblical Christianity? How? No wait, you can't even tell me how, because it doesn't. See, I'm a conservative just as you no doubt are, but I for one can't stand to be affiliated with the conservative party because I see too many people exactly like you mouthing off about issues they are totally ignorant about.

You want to base your politics on the Bible? Fine. Show me a passage where God told Adam to hunt down every animal to extinction. Show me where God instructed the twelve tribes of Judah to cut down every tree and use the Earth and its oceans therein as one colossal waste dump. Please, just SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE where God Almighty instructed mortal, carnal man to not care for the Earth, the very Earth which He created for His own Glory!

Oh, and just so you know--the war in Iraq had nothing at all to do with 911.

This.